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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter Baylis |
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I walked this route between Roumeli and Tripiti last year (August 05) and really wonder what all the fuss is about. Technically it is easy enough but arduous and a bit rough in places. It is well E4 marked so no excuse for getting lost. Due to age (73 at the time), I could not make it to Tripiti in one so slept on the trail about 1-2 hours short of Tripiti. Day two I made it easily enough to the beach near (east of) Tripiti.
Here I was tempted to beg a lift from the kind Greek owner of a fast speedboat who was camping with his family on the beach. He took me at breath taking speed to Sougia. In fact I had previously walked the Tripiti to Sougia trail so I did not feel to be missing anything. I cannot see any reason why anyone should not attempt this walk provided they don't mind a bit of occasional scrambling and are prepared for a faily tough walk. See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Luce |
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My boyfriend and I are just back from Crete and went through pretty much the same experience as Jan Piebe in his 2004 post, i.e. various comments and stories had deterred us from planning this route (the Sougia to Agia Roumeli way), then we met somebody in Sougia who had done it the day before, and decided to attempt it.
We completed it in about 9 hours, with a picnic break. We were carrying about 5 litres of water between us and still had about 1 left when we got to Agia Roumeli - but the temperature never got higher than the mid-twenties. We are middling fit walkers, with no mountaineering experience, and found that the major difficulties were the occasional rock screes - particularly going down the Tripiti gorge - and the last climb after the Klados gorge, which takes an almost straight route from sea-level to a 400+ elevation. As this comes rather late in the walk, we found it by far the most strenuous part. As in "Please-God-let-this-be-the-last-one-for-today" strenuous. Obviously we would have handled this part better if we had prepared this hike. As far as signing goes, we found the numerous cairns on the way to be a welcome supplement to the E4 poles. All we had was the Harms map, but like other posters we hardly used it. Regarding "impassable" parts, I do recall one passage between Tripiti and Klados where the old path had apparently been washed down, and it did take a little climbing quite close to the cliff face. But there were signs to guide us, so that was OK with some careful looking beforehand. The other part that I would suspect to be potentially difficult is the mouth of the Tripiti gorge when there's a bit of sea. All in all I agree with other posters that it is feasible - and definitely worth it - provided you are in good condition, respect the general requirements for hiking in Crete (water, sun protection, mobile phone etc), and do not set out with a constraining schedule such as "must catch the 1700 boat". And for those who are new to the E4, or to walking in Crete, I would strongly suggest to try another hike first, such as the Paleochora-Sougia route, by way of an experience-builder. Also I would not recommend doing it alone, especially for the first time, as we encountered positively no-one for 8 hours on the path. Furthermore, it is our experience that two people are better than one at finding the waymarks -) Hope this helps. See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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Thanks Luce
Your comments are very helpful in keeping everyone planning this walk up to date with the present conditions on this stretch. Peter See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Ria |
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Hi i came back. I found the stables in Hersonissos but the horses didn't loook good .
The conditions was not nice. Also in Karteros i was not happy, but i had a good time by the Odysseia srables.Robert thank you for the infos Ria R See more of this discussion:Re HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Iain Dawson |
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As previously posted I was in Crete in late March-early April this year. This was an excellent time of year for walking in Crete ( I went on to do about 250kms over a couple of weeks in excellent weather) but not so good for public transport and accomodation. Sougia was OK as a couple of tavernas and the supermarket as well as a number of rooms places were open, and the bus from Xania runs throughout the year. However a few days later I found all the accomodation and tavernas in Loutro (which is dependent on ferries for access) closed. I talked to a hotel owner there who was busy preparing for the opening of the tourist season and who kindly offered me a coffee. He said only about a dozen people remain in Loutro over winter. For future reference what is the situation in Agia Roumeli when the Samaria Gorge is closed and there are no ferries? Do any of the rent rooms stay open? Can you buy supplies anywhere?
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| Re HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by helen |
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Anyone know of safe stables near Bail? Bali is on the north coast, about 45 km from Heraklion towards Hania
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| Re E4 path through Crete | Posted by R Beetstra |
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I am going to walk part of the E4 (and some other walks) with a friend in September (the western part, Chania prefecture). So far I have only found a map 1140 000 covering the whole route in a shop in the Netherlands. On the internet I could find maps 1100 000, but you have to order 4 at a time (for each prefecture) which makes them quite expensive. Does anybody know if it is easy to buy a good map upon arrival in Crete, preferably even 150 000 and only Chania prefecture? Or should we not take the chance and buy the expensive maps now? And does anybody know where to get the George Petrakis book? Several other books describe parts of the E4-route, but not the whole path.
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| Re Bicycle Hire | Posted by John Cozzi |
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I am interested in bicycle hire on the island of crete. Please would somebody forward me information as to how I can contact various hire shops via e-mail.
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by De Cock Jurgen |
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I' m leaving next week for the white mountains and would like to get the map 1 25000 from the GERMAN ABWHER or THE 150.000 BRITISH MILITARY
Can anybody help me? I'm living in Belgium and you can phone me 0032/55425240 or mobilphone 0032495424178 thanks See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Adding links to this site | Posted by Peter |
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I very much welcome any messages adding more information about Crete, and adding links to new sites and new information.
Unfortunately the spammers are making frequent attempts to cover this site with rubbish. If you want to add several links, use the contact page to send me the message http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/cgi-bin/relaymail.pl and I will add the message for you. Regards Peter See more of this discussion:Adding links to this site
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter Baylis |
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Some new Greek maps have appeared that are of excellent quality. They are available online from www.mountains.gr.
Look for the Topo25 series with reference numbers 10.11, 10.12 , 10.13, 11.11, 11.12 and 11.13. Scale 1:25,000. 11.13 covers the E4 walk Roumeli to Sougia and the detail is extremely good. The maps are “GPS Compatible” but the overlay grid, although at first sight, looks like UTM, is in fact the Greek Geodetic Reference System. Regrettably, my Garmin hand helds, (Garmin 12 and etrex VISTA Cx), do not support this. However, there are also black crosses indicating one minute intervals for both latitude and longitude. A home made interpolation ruler with 0.1 minute intervals makes estimation of lat/long at any location easy enough. Having roamed the White Mountains for many years, I have collected quite a few actual GPS lat/long waypoints so I have been able to check the accuracy of some of these maps. I cannot fault them. I think these maps are a must for anyone contemplating walks in the White Mountains. The routes are clearly marked together with useful notes both in Greek and English. See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter Baylis |
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Some new Greek maps have appeared that are of excellent quality. They are available online from www.mountains.gr.
Look for the Topo25 series with reference numbers 10.11, 10.12 , 10.13, 11.11, 11.12 and 11.13. Scale 1:25,000. 11.13 covers the E4 walk Roumeli to Sougia and the detail is extremely good. The maps are “GPS Compatible” but the overlay grid, although at first sight, looks like UTM, is in fact the Greek Geodetic Reference System. Regrettably, my Garmin hand helds, (Garmin 12 and etrex VISTA Cx), do not support this. However, there are also black crosses indicating one minute intervals for both latitude and longitude. A home made interpolation ruler with 0.1 minute intervals makes estimation of lat/long at any location easy enough. Having roamed the White Mountains for many years, I have collected quite a few actual GPS lat/long waypoints so I have been able to check the accuracy of some of these maps. I cannot fault them. I think these maps are a must for anyone contemplating walks in the White Mountains. The routes are clearly marked together with useful notes both in Greek and English. See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter |
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maps of Crete are available online from www.mountains.gr
I went to the website and ordered these maps of Crete as soon as I received this message from Peter. They arrived three days later!! Excellent service. I bought the Topo 100 Map of Chania. This is the most detailed map I have seen at this scale. The paths and tracks are very easy to see on the map, and those I have walked look accurate. This would be very good for cycling or track walking. The reverse of this map is a detailed gazetteer for the area. I look forward to the Rethimnon and the Eastern maps becoming available at this scale. paper is good quality Maps 11.13, 11.12 and 11.11 Cover the white mountains and Samaria. One side of the sheet has contours, but this doesn't show cliffs, gorges and other rocky features, so these maps cannot be used for walking away from the paths. Paths and tracks are clearly shown. The reverse of these maps picks out the paths and tracks and decribes the terrain, way points and features of interest in Greek and English. These are an excellent resource for anyone walking in these areas. Map 11.14 of the area round Mount Idha only has the contour map and clear path information on one side - there is nothing on the reverse. This map is at 1 to 25000 as are the other three, but is almost twice the size. All are excellent value for money. Do be aware that if you purchase the maps from the website, the credit card payment works, but it doesn't give you any message (in firefox) to confirm the purchase. You just get a blank page at the end. See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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Très excité par toute cette discussion sur cette fameuse portion du E4 entre Agia Rouméli et Sougia, je me suis lancé dans l'aventure le 29 septembre 2006. Et me voilà de retour, en chair et en os! Le parcours est assez éprouvant, un peu plus diffcile que les autres sections E4 du littoral sud ouest de la Crète, mais n'en a-t-on pas exagéré la diffculté? Pour moi, la section la plus délicate fut la montée vers le fort tuc depuis la gorge de Tripiti. Beaucoup de cailloux glissants. Quant aux deux passages "impossibles"... pourquoi en avoir fait une telle histoire? N'importe qui est capable de les franchir, d'autant qu'il sagit de très courtes sections, juste quelques pas à assurer. J'avoue même avoir été un peu déçu sur le plan de la diffculté. Mais enfin, je ne regrette rien, c'est un très beau circuit, que je vous recommande vivement. Si vous êtes intéressé par des précisions ou des photos du parcours, n'hésitez pas à me les demander.
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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Polo
Thanks for your message. Can you give a guide to the time it took to walk each section? I think that is the most useful for anyone else planning the same route. Do give a link if you have placed any of your photos on the web. Peter See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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Dear Peter,
I'll give a guide to the time it took next week. But I don't have a link to store my photos. If you give me your mail adresse, I can send it to you, the best one at first, and more if you like. Polo NB. J'ai lu avec intérêt le récit de Berbad Laverton, et chemin faisant, je me suis demandé où il avait perdu la trace du chemin. (Bernard, je le sais, venait donc de Sougia). Je suppose qu'il s'agit du coin avant le premier promontoire important qu'on rencontre en venant de la plage de Sentoni, après une petite heure de marche. Dans ce coin, il y a une petite ravine, puis un ou deux mètre de passage difficile, cailloux et sable glissants. Enfin j'ai fait une photo de l'endroit, nous verrons bien... See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Paul |
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My wife and I did the walk from Sougia to Agia Roumelli on 11 October, having done it last year from Agia Roumelli to Sougia. (See earlier entry dated 9 October 05).
Walking times were as follows Sougia to turkish fort on west side of Tripiti Gorge - 2.5 hrs. Fort to shepherd's huts just east of Tripiti Gorge - 45 mins. Huts to mouth of Klados Gorge - 2 hrs. Mouth of Klados Gorge to Agia Roumelli - 3 hrs. Total = 8.25 hrs walking time. This does not include a 1 hr break for a picnic and swim at the fantastic Domata beach (at the mouth of the Klados Gorge) but does include stopping to take about 50 photographs. We found the path to be adequately marked and in a generally decent condition, the only really poor section being a very short stretch between Tripiti and Klados. However, this is not a problem if taken with care. We set off by torchlight at 06.15 to allow us to catch the ferry back to Sougia, but were prepared to stay in Agia Roumelli if necessary. We started with 9 litres of water and used 7, which is about the same as last year. Having done the walk both ways, I would say that the Sougia to Agia Roumelli direction is marginally more tiring, due to the 500m ascent from Domata beach and the descent to Agia Roumelli coming late in the walk, and that the views in front are better in the Agia Roumelli to Sougia direction. However, this is really splitting hairs whichever way you choose, this is still probably the best, most varied wilderness walk in Crete and I look forward to doing it again next year. Regards Paul PS. I would recommend anyone doing this walk for the first time to check out the first half mile or so the day before to save frustrations on the morning of the actual walk. See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Adding links to this site | Posted by Odysseas |
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Hi there
congratulations for the effort you make to offer info to people interested in Crete. My name is Odysseas and i have a bicycle store in Rethymno.( i use to be in Plakias for the last 6 years and i still offer services there through ANSO travel) I specialize in bike tours (7prs max only!) but i also offer all the neccessary suport( maps, info, service, rentals) to anybody who wishes to explore the island by him(her)self. Since i am the official distributor of GIANT bikes for the region of Rethymno , i use only upper category GIANT bikes off all types. more info ...type "odyseas the cyclist" See more of this discussion:Adding links to this site
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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So, I’ll give my walking times
Agia Roumeli to Domata Beach (Klados Gorge) 4 h 30 Domata Beach to Sentoni 3 h Sentoni to Tripiti Gorge 50 m Tripiti Gorge to Turkish fort 1 h 15 (Sleep here) Turkish Fort to Sougia 3 h 30 I’ll also recommand two other routes Koustogerako to Gingilos (Linoseli saddle) 7 h Very nice, but the is one point difficult at the end (loose iron rope above high cliff) Koustogerako to Omalos (high above Irini Gorge) 5 h Difficult to find the last section above Irini Gorge when you come from Koustogerako I also intend to do the mountain path between Gigilos and Sentoni beach (or Agia Roumeli) via Volokias, Kokinavari and Katsaromoura. I saw it on the new and very good Anavasi map (1/25000) But it seems very difficult, and to do it in one day. If two, where could we sleep in the rocky mountain? I’ll be very pleased if somebody could help me, give me informations … Polo See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Wallis |
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I have the new maps of Crete's White Mountains and I will certainly use them for my next visit, they are a most welcome addition.
Would you mind giving me more of an idea of how to use an 'interploation ruler'? I have a Garmin 101 Geko GPS which will give me latitude and longitude and I had noticed the black numbers on the side of the maps. This lead me to wonder if it was possible for me to read of the black numbers and refer directily to the GPS, upon reading your message I suspect that I may not be advisable. If you are able to shine some light on this for me I would be most grateful. Kind regards See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| Re: E4 path through Crete | Posted by Gilly |
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Two of us (female40s) walked a couple of sections on the south coast last year from Aghia Roumeli to Hora Sfakion. We took our time and stayed en route in Loutro. The last section we did in the pouring rain and during a thunderstorm - (spring in Crete can be as bad, but perhaps not as clod, as Scotland!!) - not intentionally I hasten to add. It is worth being prepared for all weathers and we were eqipped for Scottish hillwalking, including survival gear. I was dissapointed to see some peaople in trainers or worse attempting this rough and in places very exposed path.
We spent two weeks doing other walks including the most interesting Parnassus Gorge south of Adele,and travelled everywhere by local bus. The transport proved to be excellent and we had no problem picking up overnight accommodation. We are returning this year in late May for three weeks to try and do some more. I do agree that there is a dearth of info relating to the E4trail and have heard, anecdotally, that way-marking is a problem. Check out Stelois jackson's web site as he seems to have covered quite a bit of it. Cheers Gilly See more of this discussion:Re: E4 path through Crete
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Jonathan |
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Peter
I'm interested to know where you got the German 1:25,000 WWII maps from. Was it by chance the British Library? I'm trying to get hold of copies but can't seem to find them (short of trying the BL). Also, the new 1:25,000 maps you mention, do they have contour lines? If so, at what interval are they? Many thanks Jonathan See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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The British Library has the maps as microfilm.
The new maps show contour lines every 20m, but they don't show cliffs. They would not help you navigate or plan a route off paths. The german WW2 maps, by contrast show far more useful detail. I am sorry it is taking so long to get the detailed Crete maps back on line after Google pulled the earlier version of its mapping API. Peter See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE GREECE | Posted by Stefanie |
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I had a very nice horse riding holiday in Greece Crete last year. I did the Lassithi trail by the Odysseia stables. Can somebody recomend something nice somewhere else in Greece. If you know any internet site will be very helpfull.
I can help you with the site of my last visit to Crete in Greece STEFANIE See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE GREECE
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Jonathan |
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Thanks Peter. These look very interesting. One final question though, does the series cover the whole of the island?
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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The German WW2 maps cover the whole of Crete.
The new Topo25 Cover Samaria, The White Mountains(2 maps) and Psiloritis. The new Topo100 Cover the whole of Crete in 3 maps. See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Jonathan |
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Thanks Peter. These look very interesting. One final question though, does the series cover the whole of the island?
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Egi |
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I walked from Soughia to Aj. Roumeli in February 2006, having done this before in 1967 and 1981.
However, what I found positively frightning this time were 2 scree slopes between Tripiti and Klados with 20 ft. drops to rocks below. I had to start off on these slopes without knowing if they would hold my weight or not. Has this been improved on since then ? See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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No, this two scree slopes were not improved. As you can read above, I did this way at the end of septembre 2006.
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by |
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Hi Polo,
thanks for reply. But since I am not fluent in French, could you translate into English the relevant part of your report ? Does anyone know whether there is a way round these 2 scree slopes ? Either down by the sea or higher up ? If there is not, I strongly recommend not walking from Roumeli to Sougia but the other direction: Because back to Roumeli takes 5 hours with no water on the way, whereas back to Sougia is only 3 hours passing 2 places with water. Anyway, I intend to do this walk again this April, and will give a full report afterwards. Au revoir Egi See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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Hi, Egi
For a long time, I have been intending to do this route. Everybody told me it was VERY difficult, but when I saw this forum… I to took fright. Anyway, I did it last september. Of course, it is more difficult than the others E4 sections, but it seems to me rather easy after all these words about it. The most difficult section was for me the steep slope up from Tripiti to Pikilasos, with 15 kilos on my back and 8 hours walking under sun. Actually, I think all the route is difficult, with up and down, loose stone, scree slope and pin needles over stones. Il come back to this famous two scree slopes. When you come from Sentoni beach, after about 1 hour walk, there is a first promontory. Inside the corner, after a little ravine, first difficult on this loose slope, there is just place to put the foot ! No other solution to go slowly et carefully. No possible to make his way up or down. Afterwards, you contour the promontory, and come quickly to a little fence door. A another slippery slope, and a another inside corner, with the last slippery passage, with a lot of ground material over your head… To avoid this dangerous corner, it is possible to go down I saw a German who dit it. You said, Egi ,that you “intend to do this walk again this April, and will give a full report afterwards.” Good. But could I ask you something ? I should be very helpful if you can get information - at Agia Roumeli for instance - about the ridge shepherd route between Gingilos and Agia Roumeli, via Papoura peak. I have been told about it, but I have no other information than it is very difficult. I intend to do it in June. Amicalement, Polo See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Colleen |
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There is also the Deres Riding Centre near Chania and the Lefkoritis Mountain Resort near Askifou. I haven't been to them but did research and they both look okay. I am probably going to be staying in Almyrida Beach, which is not exactly where I wanted to stay but it's a package holiday, so I don't have much choice. It is about 25 km from Chania, so I can probably get to Deres by bus/taxi. Would I be able to get to Odysseia Stables from Almyrida Beach by bus/taxi do you think? I don't drive at the moment, so won't be able to rent a car. Thanks.
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Egi |
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Hi Polo,
yes, those are the 2 danger spots ! If you don’t want to carry 18 kilos again, I suggest the following 1. Use the Left Luggage Facility at CHANIA bus station deposit stuff you don’t need on the walk. 2. Buy 3 water bottles -at- 1.5 litres 3. Take the bus to SOUGIA Monday – Friday dep. 13.45 from Chania (Saturday dep. 14.00) Drink one litre on the bus and eat some salt 4. Arrive 15.30 in Sougia. Still four and a half hours of daylight left in June to walk to TRIPITI. 5. Don’t waste time on the way by refilling water bottles at the tiny spring on the saddle before Tripiti because I have always found plenty of water in the cistern at Tripiti 5. Sleep at Tripiti next to the chapel (or inside) 6. Leave Tripiti at 0600. Before, drink lots of water, eat some salt. Don’t waste time over breakfast, use the cool of the morning to get over those 2 danger spots, have breakfast afterwards. Take along 4 litres of water. In June, unless it is cloudy (most unlikely) you will need at least 3 litres to Roumeli, and you should have a reserve in case of accident like a sprained ankle. (In May, I once drank 5 litres). 7. From CHORA SFAKION you can catch a daily bus (dep. 0700) to Chania to collect your stuff deposited there In this way, you can enjoy the beautiful scenery which, after all, is the point of the exercise ! All the best Egi See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Old Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter |
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p>The old detailed contour maps of Crete are now available for download.
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| Sea Kayaking the South Shore | Posted by Jan |
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I will be traveling in Crete in June. I am interested in renting kayak equipment from a company along the south shore - maybe near Sfakia or Malta.
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by manos |
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The distance is big from your hotel to the Odysseia stables. If you find time will pay you back. It is a very beuatifull place with nice horses.
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| Re: Skafia | Posted by Pauline |
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I want to rent a villa or apartment in Skafia, Crete at a reasonable price, for the month of September 2007. Can any body help it is for myself and my sister we are both middle aged and would like somewhere quiet but not remote. We will be travelling from Manchester UK.
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| German Maps of Crete | Posted by Bruce |
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I am heading off for a walking holiday in the White Mountains and would like to purchase your downloadable German maps
Could you let me know which ones I need to cover the area from Sougia in the west to Asigonia in the east and also how I pay you for these See more of this discussion:German Maps of Crete
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter |
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Sougia is on map 5c, and Asi Ghonia is on 7c
The maps you need are 5a, 5b, 5c, 5d, 6a, 6b, 6c, 6d, 7a, 7b If you follow the link to download the first map, I hope the instructions for payment are now self explanatory. Enter 10 pounds in the box - there is no minimum charge, but a processing charge of 25p is added to each payment, so you could just make a payment of 1 pound for the first map to check they are useful to you. Payment is using the PayPal system, either with PayPal or credit card. Let me know if you have any problems. See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| Re: E4 path through Crete | Posted by Linda Lombardo |
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Dear Peter Thomson,
My sister Barbara who lives in Cleveland, Ohio, knew George Petrakis when he lived in the States many years ago,and has been trying to contact him recently but has only an old address on Crete. Is there some way you can help me to get a contact for him (or give him mine)? thank you so much for your trouble. Linda Lombardi See more of this discussion:Re: E4 path through Crete
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Martina |
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We are on the south of Crete near Matala and near by the famous Como-beach. Our horse-farm Melanouri is now 9 years working and we have many regular customers. We offer many differant walks and you can find more information on our website www.melanouri.com
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by stefano |
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Dear Peter, do you remenber the Italian guys you met in Katsiveli last year? well, we'll back in a few days (from 19 to 26 of may). We start from palehora and then sougia, roumeli, samarias gorge, kallergi, katsiveli, askifou... Are you on the withe mountains? If no or if I are wrong and you're not the "same" wild Peter, best whishes to you, and thanks for usefull comments I've read on this forum.
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Maria |
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Hello Odysseia Stables!
I would like to do the Lassithi trail, but I have only been taking lessons for 1 year (since May 2006 to present) and I can trot and canter but I am not an experienced rider. In order to be able to do the guided Lassithi trail, how experienced do I need to be? Thank you! See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Tis Agapis Maheria | Posted by Despina |
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Tis Agapis Maheria" is a Greek TV drama series (seen on Antenna channel). Would anyone know where in Crete it is filmed? Is there an additional filming location somewhere else in Greece? Thanking you in advance, Despina
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by cross |
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Hi out there,
can anybody provide scanned copies of the German Abwehrcard and of the new greek cards (may be the one of the army). Pls. send it by email. Which of these describe all possibilities for water intake. Are there any that cover the track from tripiti gorge to the Gingilos saddle (Samaria Gorge). This is an advanced track I would like to walk. Most of the hikers had to abort, since they couldn't find the path and were running out of supplies!! Many thanks, Cross See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Fran |
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Hi all,
the E4 between between Sougia and Agia Roumeli is a wonderful walk without serious problems for an experienced alpinist. I did it in 2005 (from Sougia to AR) and in 2006 (the opposite direction). The most important point is water; I took six liters with me. More challenging is the Tripiti gorge leading from Tripiti to the Gingilos saddle - does anybody have details about this? Greetings, Fran See more of this discussion:Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: E4 path through Crete | Posted by Tom Heydon |
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Hi
Interesting Books: Sunflower Landscapes Western Crete: ISBN 1-85691-188-8 Crete - The White Mountains (a Cicerone Guide) ISBN1-85284-298-9 Crete West (Rother Walking Guide) ISBN 3-7633-4803-4 Between The Seas (A Quiet Walk Through Crete) ISBN 1-85619-188-5 Maps None of them are up to OS standard but the best I have found are by Harms Verlag. I have only used the Western Crete ones. 1:80,000 scale ISBN 3-927468-11-8 1:100,000 scale ISBN 3-927468-16-9 We have walked from Elafonisi to Sougia, a section of the E4 from the Kalergi Refuge to Melindau. From Ormalos down the Samaria Gorge then along the coastal path to Hora Sfakion. Up the Imbros Gorge then along the road through Asfendou to Kalikratis to follow the Gorge down to Frango Kastelli. Some of the parts between Marble Beach and Hora Sfakion may be difficult for vertigo sufferers. Other interseting gorge walks while in the area are the Aradina Gorge (Marble Beach), Inlingias Gorge, Anapoli Gorge (Hora Sfakion) and Asfendos Gorge (Asfendou). I hope this is useful for someone. Tom See more of this discussion:Re: E4 path through Crete
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Sabine Fragakis |
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Dear Maria,
If you have any question about the Lassithi Trek or The Odysseia Stables you can sent them to Hippofun -at- otenet.gr, you will get a quick and private answer. If you are riding for 1 year, your experience is not enough for the Lassithi Trek and you will not enjoy your holiday. It is a heavy trek which is even for experienced riders tiring with 6 to 7 hours a day in the saddle. We will advise you to do a stationairy horse riding holiday with 2 or 4 hours horse riding a day outside or in combination with horse riding lessons in the arena. For sure you will enjoy this much more. Best regards, Sabine See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re: Welcome to Crete | Posted by Wies Wouda |
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We did a lot of walking around Plakias. Thanks for making this website Peter. We noticed a few changes while we were there. When you do the walk from Plakias to Sellia there's a roadblock up the hill. Some earth moved over the road and you have to be very carefull there.
The first time we tried to find the Finikas monastry, we didn't find it. We had to buy a local map and found out that the description was a bit poor. The chapel is very pretty. They also restored it at the outside. When we went back to Plakias. we wanted to visit Geronimo's outside Souda Bay. Well, it doesn't excist anymore. Just a barking dog. So if you're thirsty, go down to Souda beach. See more of this discussion:Re: Welcome to Crete
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| driving to crete in motorhome witha dog from uk | Posted by jennifer short |
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has anyone any idea how to do it with a dog and a motorhome? I have heard of ferries that you take a motorhome onboard and live on it until you arrive at your destination. Is their a ferry of this type from Ancona to Crete via the port of Piraeus? Has anyone any idea of the cost and duration of the trip?I am thinking of doing this trip begining of June this year (2007)
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| gramvoussa | Posted by christine |
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Le 20 aout jusqu'au 11 septembre nous séjournons à plakias.
sur votre site, j'ai noté quelques belles ballades, mais je souhaiterais voir gramvoussa et elafonissi que me conseiller vous See more of this discussion:gramvoussa
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Polo |
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For Tripiti gorge, just have a look at this adresse http://www.carto.net/andre.mw/photos/2005/05/03_gorge_tripiti_crete_sud/
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by linda schembri |
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I am told that there is a horse farm in Crete which also provides accomadation for young people with autism and learning difficulties.Please do you know the name and web address? Thank you
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| Re: Bicycle Hire | Posted by Jones Byrd |
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I'll be in Chania June 15-18, hiking June 16. I too would like to rent a road bicycle on June 17. If you get information, please forward. All I've found is motorcycle info. Thx.
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Jane Curbishley |
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Does anyone know of any good horse riding schools near Kissamos or Tavronitis? We are planning to move to north-west Crete in a couple of years and I need to be near horses!!
(I have used Zoraida near Georgiopoulis, which is excellent but too far away, as is Zoraida near Chania). Thanks. See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by kayleigh |
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does anyone know of any horse riding trips in north east crete?(no heraklion or hersonisos)
2-4 hours would be ideal as we are not yet experianced riders if so then could you give the website many thanks , kayleigh See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Tis Agapis Maheria | Posted by Maria |
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The actual village is not filmed in Crete its just out of Athens on a little island called Poros.
I hope i have helped. Regards Maria See more of this discussion:Tis Agapis Maheria
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| Re: Welcome to Crete | Posted by Petra |
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Dear Peter, thank you for this interesting site. I spent a fortnight in Plakias this June with my husband and seven year old son, we hiked every day in the surroundings and we did a lot of the walks you recommend (to Selia, to Mirthios, to Finikas Monastery, Timeos Stavros from Lefkogia, Plakias to quiet beaches, the aqueduct road, to the Preveli monastery via Gianiou etc.). It took us three attempts to find the Finikas Monastery, it was difficult to find but worth it. We have also walked the length of the Kourtaliotiko gorge which is really beautiful, and our son especially enjoyed the short but spectacular walk across the cliff from Skineria Beach to Amoudi. We are from a country with a long tradition of hiking and all hiking trails here are very well marked so it took us some time to get used to trails which sometimes end in some thorny bushes or by a fence but in the end we really enjoyed the walks among olive groves during which we met only a handful of other tourists. I have already started to think about other possible places for similar holidays, can you recommend something?
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| Naturist Beaches in Eastern Crete | Posted by Alana |
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Does anyone know of naturist beaches east of Heraklion, either on north or south coasts.
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| Re: E4 path through Crete | Posted by Bjørn Michelsen |
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Hello,
We visit Crete in May and reed your book about walking in the nature of Crete. It was a very informative book, but we lacked tip how we could come back to the starting point from some of the routs you tell about, bus, taxi or another possibilities. Are some of the walking distances in the book tour and retour? See more of this discussion:Re: E4 path through Crete
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| Re: E4 path through Crete | Posted by Peter |
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I walked almost all the paths in the book as circular routes, but these were then split into the individual sections as they can then be arranged together in different ways.
Some used the local bus service to get to the starting point on the road from Plakias to Rethimnon, and then each follows a different route back to Plakias. See more of this discussion:Re: E4 path through Crete
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Sam |
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I just came back from Crete where we went on a night tour that took us into the mountains on horse back, it was a great treck and the view was just amazing! As we made our way back to the ranch on the 3 hour round trip the sun begain to set over the olive and grape trees, and the smell was wonderful. The people who ran the trip were also great fun, and very kind to the guests and horses. The place really had a family feel about it, the staff were happy to talk to the guests from all over the world while a pack of puppies ran around the kids feet, it really was fantastic for the adults and kids. We also had a lovely meal included in the price as well where the wine was free flowing and the food was wonderful! I would really recommend this tour.
I'm not 100\% sure of what the company is called because we bought it as an excursion on a package holiday. I think it was called Horses Hersonissos as that is where the company is based, but if this isn't its name I'm quite sure they have adverts all over the island, including in the shops that sell day trips to tourists. And I'm quite sure if you are staying at a hotel this trip will be offered to you anyway, regardless of where you are staying because they seem to pick people up from most places in the island. Or they might have a website if you google them. Sorry I can't be anymore help to you! See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by cella |
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can you tell me where this beautiful ridinng place is ! thankyou !
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by cella |
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1. does anyone know where there are great riding stables at in crete?
2. where is odysseia stables at? 3. where can i get riding clothes from in crete? 4. does anyone know where there is a riding stable in breachture? See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by manolis |
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Odysseia stables are close to Hersonissos in Crete in a nice are with quality horses and many diferent panoramic rides.
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by manolis |
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More informations about Odysseia stables you can find from horseriding,gr
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Jonathan Huston |
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Dear Peter
I am an Australian WW2 enthusuast, who along with some seasoned english trekkers will be re-eancting the fame route of the abduction of General Kreipe as led by Patrick Leigh Fermor in 1944. We commence the journey on April 14 and finish late April. Are you familiar with the route and journey? What maps would you recommend and how would I acquire them to navigate this route? Essentially which maps would best cover the acreage of interest? I can send the key points of interest for your info, if you are unaware of the route? I look forward to hearing from you soon - or indeed any other enthusiast who has knowledge of the route? Kind regards Jonathan Huston Perth, Australia. See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter |
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I have read the book but don't have it for reference.
If you post a list of place names I can tell you which maps you need. See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Jonathan |
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Did this walk a couple of weeks ago (late May 2008). Our day actually started at Omalos and we walked down Samaria, halted in Agia Roumeli and then set off for the Domata Beach at Klados at 4pm where we would camp for the night.
Much has been made of how long this walk should take, some estimates on here saying 8 hours. I think this depends hugely on your circumstances. In the summer and with heavy packs (like us) it takes much longer as you're caught in a vicious circle of your pack weight making you sweat, so you have to make more water, so your pack is heavier and so on. We carried 6 litres each with the target of fresh supplies at Tripiti. Our supplies held - just. Fortunate that we ran into the beekeeper with the donkey who lives by the beach just east of Tripiti. As for the walk itself. It's fine as long as you're on the path - things get rather tricky if you lose the path as we did twice. Starting from behind Roumeli you have a very exposed and slippery traverse across a steeply sloping mountainside of compacted soil, mantled by a thin veneer of loose gravel and a cliff edge a few feet to your left. It's the sort of slope that makes you think that a one big slip could send you over the edge. You just have to ignore the danger and put one firm put in front of another. Fortunately, things improve and a better made path crosses a rockfall before a steep climb up a made but in places broken zig-zag path up a rocky gully through the trees. Emerging over the top you track the coast with the sea far below. The path is mantled in loose stone and dances inbetween spikey shrubbery which bites your legs. A very minor gorge causes no problems but a medium size gorge now separates you from the hills above Klados. At this point you're nearly 600 metres above sea level and are now faced with a rocky descent into this gorge and a climb up the other side. Alhtough navigating from the Loraine Wilson book and the Anavasi 1:25k map, we were led to believe we had to head a distance north into the gorge and then descend. It was at this point we lost the E4. We didn't know whether it was above or below us. We decided to descend through a steep concoction of loose rocks, gravel, solid rock and spikey vegetation into the gorge floor. Not very nice and rather bone-jarring. We then happened upon the E4 path pleasantly emerging from some trees when we reached the gorge floor. Perhaps the E4 descent is rather better than the one we were forced to make! Anyway, another ascent up the other side of the gorge and then a long dscent into Klados. This was the end of a long day for us and the light was fading. The loose marbles mantling the footpath caused a few stumbles for very tired legs. We happened upon the cistern mentioned in the wilson book - the water was poor and not suitable to drink. Then steeply down to the beach at Klados where we just got the tent up before dark. Time to Klados with heavy packs (4 hours) What a fabulous place for an overnight! We were totally on our own, the sounds of the waves breaking on the shore and the sheer peaceful, unspolitness of location made for the highlight of the trip. Next day, an early start (7am) in an attempt to stay out of the sun for as long as possible before it rose above the mountains behind us. We were mindful of scare stories about a badly eroded section between Klados and Tripiti and so marched on, keen to get it over with. We weren't sure what to expect but when we arrived there we were somewhat surprised. Sure, the path is eroded and covered in lose gravel with a steep drop of 20m into the sea, but the gravel is actually quite grippy and it is only a few metres before you reach the safety of a wider ledge and then carefully pick your way behind a large boulder over more loose gravel above a rockfall. As long as you're careful there shouldn't be a problem. Indeed, I actually thought the section out of Agia Roumeli was worse. The next section to Tripiti is fine with no horrors. If you're lucky you'll run into the beekeeper (and his donkey) before Tripiti who has water. A bit of care is needed exiting Tripiti. The Wilson book suggested that the ascent of the gorge side began at a large free standing rock in front of a scree slope. We found such a rock and scree slope (with an E4 sign next to it) and began to ascend. This got steeper and steeper and looser and looser until we were on the edge of what our boots could possibly grip on. The absence of E4 signs was also worrying. After climbing 100 metres above the gorge and getting rather concerned that we were on goat paths with no easy way back down we spotted an E4 sign on the valley floor way up the valley. We knew had to descend, so we traversed (ratherly gingerly) across the scree slope onto a boulder-free section of scree slope then slid down on our backsides to the bottom. So a word of caution to all coming this way - you actually have to travel at least 0.5km up the valley before the actual E4 begins to ascend. There is an E4 pole above a large boulder on the lower part of the scree slope and the zig zag path is obvious. If you see neither of these, you're on the wrong path. After an hour lost on the false ascent we were forced to climb the zig zags in the midday sun which drew heavily on our water. Fortunately, the descent on the other side features a spring with good quality water. After that, the path to Sougia is well made and obvious. The only noteworthyascent thereafter is climbing more zig zags to climb out of a minor gorge, but this is minor compared to the ascent out of Tripiti. All in all, a fabulous wilderness walk which took us 14 hours (including several long breaks) but were pack heavy so slowed considerably. Route-marking is generally good - keep your eyes peeled for E4 poles,cairns and painted rocks and you'll be fine (except in one or two places where you lose them althogether). The issues which can make this difficult are heat, water supply and some steep ascents/descents. I think an early start on a cloudy day in October and travelling light, it could be done in 8-9 hours, now I know the route. Otherwise, enjoy! As Wilson says, the days of these types of walk are numbered - especially given the Cretans massive roadbuilding programme at present (e.g. the upgrade of the Imbros Gorge road to a major highway). So get out there See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Audrey |
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Hello,
I am REALLY getting mixed messages about the route between Ag Roumeli and Sougia. I have walked the west and south coast, walked several gorges and been up Gingilos and this section in the missing link. I plan to take it easy over 2 days and will be with one other person. If it is too dangerous I plan to walk up the Samaria Gorge, across the Omalos Plain then loop round down the Irini Gorge and finally out at Sougia. Can anyone help?? I will have a full pack on. Thanks. Audrey See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Zefiros |
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Try Zefiros
Zefiros is located at Tersanas, in the region of Akrotiri. Tersanas is only 20 minutes from the main regional town of Chania See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Jonathan |
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Hi Audrey
If you want to quickly get a feel for what the worst of the walk will be like, start from Agia Roumeli. You'll know in the first 10 minutes whether this walk is for you (see my post above). The exposed section many people have referred to above is no worse (arguably better) than the sloping traverse over the loose gravels above the cliffs above Roumeli. Treat it like general mountain walking, i.e. with respect and you'll be fine. I assume you tackled Gingilos from Xyloscala, in which case if you remember the section just through the arch where it is badly eroded/landslip and you have a few metres across a narrow sloping path (big drop to left) covered in small, loose rocks, then if you managed that, you'll be okay on the E4 coastal path (which has a couple of similar sections - see my post above). The rest of the E4 is fine so long as you keep to the path (which generally follows the best lines anyway). Plan your water supplies according to the time of year. I certainly wouldn't do it in high summer when the heat is brutal, but on a cool, autumn day you'd find it very enjoyable and probably very easy. We had full packs and were fine across the 2 short exposed sections. Camp on Klados beach, just wonderful! See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by kath, ren & nic |
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Horse riding near Plakias,
We have found a lovely place that we can fully recommend to anyone looking for a fun time on horse back, we had a nice ride for an hour and a half through olive groves down to the beach, across the beach and than back again the farm is only open in the morning until 1pm, as they are considerate to the horses tiredness and welfare. We found the farm to be clean, the horses to be well fed and very well cared for, which was not like a farm we saw in Georgioupoli. the contact number is Barbara on from the UK 00302832031196, 32033,32034 fax 302832031197 See more of this discussion:HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Anna Maria |
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I am going every year to Crete and i like walking and horse riding. I did several walking tours all over the island in differend seasons. Last year i did the Lassithi trail on horse back. It was more than beautiful. I found about this trail ride by accident during hiking on Crete. I met riders and horses on top of the Dikti mountains in the Lassithi area. When i did the trail i saw Crete as i never saw before. Hight mountains , green valeys, beautiful small villages, blue sea , friendly people,good food and lovely - lively horses. Our guides Manolis and Sabine gave us an unforgetable week. Their hotel and stables are more than hotel and stables. Is a place on paradise.
I am happy that found this place. Anna Maria See more of this discussion:HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| Adding links to this site | Posted by suzanne barbour |
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Hi
I would like you to put a link to our website on your page - http://www.walkwithdonkeys.com Walking Holidays Crete We will of course put a reciprocal link on our site Many thanks Alistair and Suzann See more of this discussion:Adding links to this site
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| Tripiti Gorge | Posted by harald øhrn |
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I have previously walked from Koustogerako to Xiloskalo. On this walk I had some terric views into the Tripiti Gorge and it has stuck with me ever since. I want to see what it´s like down there! I realize that descending from then saddle is not for me, but climbing is not essential. I´d be happy to work my way up from the see from Ahios Nikolas and then return the same way, but I can´t find any reports on how it´s like. Is there somebody out there who has any experience with ?
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| Re E4 path through Crete | Posted by Nicholas Fry |
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We are staying in a house in Afrata on the Rodopou peninsula and have found a copy of your guide on the shelf. It looks very interesting but unfortunately my Norwegian is not good enough to read it. Can you tell me if there is an English version available, either of the book or just of the text?
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| HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Anna Jackson |
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br>I just want to warn people that the stables in Georgioupoli, crete aren't great......their horses are really thin, and they seem to be really disorganised before the rides too, I was waiting up there for a long time before the ride. Some of the stalls inside didn't look like they'd been mucked out in a long time either.
Just a note to remember to check out the stables you intend to ride at before you book if it's possible!!! Or research before you go!!!! See more of this discussion:HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Krzysztof Soko³owski |
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Coordinates in GGRef System you can find on Anavasi site, it is in greek, but we are interesting only in numbers. This numbers can be set in your GPS manually, and be used in field with paper map. Or when you vectorize that paper map, on GPS (Colorado/Oregon) screen, with map.
Krzysztof Soko³owski See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| Looking for an old friend | Posted by Stephen Matthews |
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Jenni- Sorry I can't help. Billy is a friend of mine too from my Plymouth days. I went to visit him and Doug in Crete in 94 but have lost touch. Would love to speak to him again.
Do let me know if you find him. Best Wishes Stephen See more of this discussion:Looking for an old friend
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Kurt Bolghaug |
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Next year I will spend 3-4 weeks going Crete from east to west. Some places I will follow the E4 path. Other places other tracks. And some places roads.
I have tried search for the site looking for the new maps, but the page cannot be found. Is it the correct adress? regards Kurt Bolghaug Norway See more of this discussion:New Maps of Crete
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| New Maps of Crete | Posted by Peter |
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br>For the new maps the site has changed to:
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| Re: Bicycle Hire | Posted by |
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br> Dear friend,
If you arrive in Chania,must go to visit Balos,it;s about 1o km from Kissamos. In Kissamos you can find bicycles and motorcycles for hire from Motofun. Can you get a low price:info -at- auto-motofun.info Best regards See more of this discussion:Re: Bicycle Hire
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| Re My visit to Crete | Posted by axel |
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you can also ride at arion stables hersonissos, they take you on private rides, the horses are the best fed in whole crete, and all the horses are ridden biteless, they really love their horses
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| Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE | Posted by Moniek |
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You can find the Odysseia Stables In Avdou.
That is located 15 km south of Chersonissos. See more of this discussion:Re: HORSE-RIDING ON CRETE
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| E4 path through Crete | Posted by Sascha |
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The E4 path forks at Sougia.From there you'll have to choose between the alpine and the costal path. The alpine path is very strenuous, bearly marked and accomodation, food and water are almost non-existent.
The costal path is, as mentioned, very dangerous at times (vertigo ed) between Sougia and Agia Roumeli. To avoid both the paths and their inconveniences, I guess the following is a good detour: - Follow the E4-trail from Sougia via the gorge of Agia Irini to the village of Agia Irini. - From Agia Irini walk to Omalos. - From Omalos walk to Xiloskalo, buy a ticket and descend the Samaria Gorge to Agia Roumeli. It's also very easy to catch a morning-bus, there are plenty of tourist-bus drivers who stop in Omalos and are willing to take you to the entrance of the gorge. - From Agia Roumeli, you catch up with the E4 trail again to Loutro, Sfakia and further. A good guide that covers the whole E4 trail (including detours and alternative stretches) is published in 2005 by Conrad Stein Verlag. Unfortunately for some of you, it's written in German, but it is quite a good book and some users have posted updates on the publisher's website. See more of this discussion:E4 path through Crete
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Zino |
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hello,
I would like to walk next summer E4 trail from west to east in Crete. It is my first hiking holidays (I am only 18 years). Since this woulld be my first big trekkingtour, I want to prepare everything as good as possible. I have already searched for a decent online map of this trail, but not yet found. Maybe you know a website where a detailed map is printed on? I don't want to buy immediatly a detailled map, because it wil not be cheap such a map. And in case I don't like the trail I might have bought it for nothing? Are there things I really should know before I leave which is of paramount importance? How many kilometers (or miles) would you walk on this trail without being exhausted See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Menno Wolters |
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The stretch from Sougia to Aghia Roumeli should preferably be walked in two days as the 3 or 4 kilometers before Aghia Roumeli are extremely difficult. We arranged for a boat to bring us to a little beach that is almost half-way. The first day we walked from there to Sougia in about 5 or 6 hours. The second day we set out on the same beach in the other direction and spent 10 hours on climbing rather than walking along the steep rocky coast. The path is marked in the usual Greek way, but you need the fantasy of a fly to understand that these scarce markings must be expected on vertical rocks
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Menno Wolters |
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The path is well displayed on the relevant Anavasi map, which can be ordered through internet from their website. It roughly follows the coastline (at varying height), except for a section that cuts short on a pronounced cape. Donkeys and mules are not capable of passing down to Aghia Roumeli, but I assume that there is a second path in the hinterland for these animals. Their main problem would be that they have no hands like we do, and which we badly need to pass the rocks as indicated by the markings
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| Re: E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Menno Wolters |
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The maps you mention are sure better than those drawn by the Romans 2000 years ago, but they are also obsolete. Why not use the new maps issued by Anavasi
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Menno Wolters |
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We walked from Anopoli to Loutro in july, 2009, and it was indeed in such a good shape that would fit anybody's sunday afternoon stroll. The trekking from Sougia to Aghia Roumeli, however, involves strong senses and a capability to remain upright when the path itself is upright. Training as a monkey is recommended, but it is passable for those with good technique and good condition
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Menno Wolters |
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Get yourself a copy of the relevant Anavasi maps which show both the mountains and the E4 in detail. You may order them from Anavasi's website
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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Thanks very much for your comments Menno. I am sure that a lot of people will appreciate them.
Did you manage to record a gps track of the route? - it needs to be a newer high sensitivity unit to be vaguely accurate close to the cliffs. See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Fred Topliffe |
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Some years ago I walked from Agia Roumeli to Sougia. I had already scouted both ends of the walk on previous trips and was under no illusions that it would be a demanding trip for an (experienced) 60 year old. I left just before first light and took a fairly heavy day pack as I was prepared to bivouac if necessary. In fact it took me 10.5 hours to the ferry port at Sougia and I will admit it was hard going. Even so any any experienced walker with quite a bit of determination should be able to do it. Don't do it alone like me though, a small well matched group would be best and be well prepared with first aid gear, plenty of water and the ability to stop overnight if necessary.
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| Re Dream holiday | Posted by Alla |
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Hi Miranda/or anyone who went on horse riding holiday in Crete.
I am going to Odysseia Stables for Panorama Ride first week of June 2011. It is my first riding holiday and I worry a bit. Not about horses and riding but about the whole thing :) Could you please give me any tips? - I mean what might be additional costs? What should I take with me? etc? Any sort of additional information? Thank you very much. My e-mail is lapa11 -at- hotmail.com Alla See more of this discussion:Re Dream holiday
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Steve |
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Hello Paul
You are mentioning the walk from Aghia Roumeli to Domata Beach is 3 hours where Polo says it is 4 hours and a half. So which is the correct distance ? Is it a hard hike for someone who likes to hike but is not an experienced hiker ? How much water do I need with me summer time See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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This walk is only for experienced hikers with a good head for heights. the path is steep and slippery in places, very rough in others.
There are occasional waymarks, but the path is not always clear. After heavy rain the path may be difficult to spot in places. The walking time for a path like this varies a lot according to your experience and skill at navigation, and the speed at which you walk. Both times are correct See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Steve |
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Just wanted to thank you for your prompt response. I think I am going to try it is since I have hiked some gorges in Crete. Could you please tell me how many ascents and descents before arriving to Domata beach ?
Also how many bottles of water do I need with me? Thank you again See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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| Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli | Posted by Peter |
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Your best preparation is to look at some of the gorges you have already walked in google earth. Look in 3D mode. See how what you know to be quite rugged terrain appears fairly smoothed out.
Now look at the coast towards Domata beach. In spite of the smoothing out that is rugged!! Most of the places I have walked in Crete I can easily spot the path on the ground from space, but the path to Domata beach is mostly invisible. You have huge cliffs, overhangs, scree slopes. You can see the overall pattern of ascents and descents Carry 2 litres of water per person. Make sure that you are reported missing if you are out of touch for 24 hours See more of this discussion:Re E4 between Sougia and Agia Roumeli
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